2 U.S. soldiers accused of abusing detainees

I got some intel several weeks ago from sources close to the incident, http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/02/asia/03afghan.php

Here is the whole story and one that will be sure to piss you off, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/12/AR2008121203291.html

I really look forward to your comments and feelings on this. These guys are probably damn good leaders that care more about their soldiers than they do anything else. They have been around long enough to know what they did put themselves at risk but they had no options. I will tell you that I would have done the same thing that 1SG Scott did. The crap that I saw the Afghan Army do to their own people, people that were obviously innocent makes Abu Ghraib look like Sunday School. You want to really know the difference? In Abu Ghraib they put a guy on a box with wires to his hands that went nowhere. The ANA would have connected the wires to a car battery and shocked the shit out of him until he confessed to something or died.

Here is the bottom line, the crap that happens over there is beyond what the American people can comprehend. Rape, beatings, shootings of enemy or suspected enemy is not beyond what the ANA or ANP, or even what NDS will do. NDS is their version of the FBI and an organization I have talked about on here before.

What these two guys did was not beyond that bad. In fact I think what they did falls perfectly inline with what is acceptable in field questioning. Like I said I got inside info about this and let me tell you there are a lot of pissed off soldiers and peers of these guys over there that feel like their higher HQ is hanging them out to dry, and to be quite honest it is probably personal as suggested in the article. I am quite disgusted that my old Battalion, the Curahees of Band of Brothers fame is allowing this Article 32 hearing to even happen.

Just in case the above link does not work, I have re-posted the entire article below.

A War’s Impossible Mission

By P.J. Tobia
Sunday, December 14, 2008

KHOST PROVINCE, Afghanistan Capt. Roger Hill stood behind a long wooden desk, reading from a piece of paper that trembled lightly in his hand. “Please know that seeing your brothers whittled down one by one by a cowardly and ghost-like enemy is difficult,” he said, glancing up only briefly at the team of military prosecutors assembled around him.

Hill is a U.S. Army officer in Afghanistan accused of detainee abuse, including a mock execution, war crimes, dereliction of duty and other serious charges stemming from an incident last August at a U.S. military base outside the capital city of Kabul. Members of his unit allegedly slapped Afghan detainees, and Hill himself is said to have fired his pistol into the ground near blindfolded Afghans to frighten them.

But after exploring the personalities and circumstances involved in this case, it’s hard for me to condemn Hill or his first sergeant, Tommy Scott, who has been charged with assaulting the detainees. Stuck in the deadly middle ground between all-out war and nation- building, these men lashed out to protect themselves. To me, their story encapsulates the impossible role we’ve asked U.S. soldiers to play in the reconstruction of this devastated country. They are part warrior, part general contractor, yet they are surrounded on all sides by a populace that wants nothing more than to kill or be rid of them.

The soldiers who have served at Hill’s side call him heroic. Others describe the career that the 30-year-old West Point graduate might have had if he and his men hadn’t apparently crossed the line one day last summer. Instead, I watched Hill fight for that career — and for his freedom — earlier this month in a conference room at Forward Operating Base Salerno, a large U.S. military base near the Afghan town of Khost, about 17 miles from the Afghan-Pakistani border.

As Hill tried to defend his actions at a military hearing, his soft voice filled the small, bare room: “Know that sifting through the charred and crumbling remains of fellow service members in order to identify their bodies, or picking up the pieces of another after this ghost-like enemy has hacked off his arms and cut out his heart . . . only for you to later find out that his fingers are being distributed downtown amongst the locals, can somehow make a commander more protective. “

It was against this “ghost-like enemy” that Hill, Scott and the rest of their unit were fighting at Forward Operating Base Airborne in Wardak Province, west of Kabul, where Hill’s company was the sole coalition force for miles around.

There are dozens of bases throughout the country like Airborne. They are full of soldiers who bear the dual and confounding burden of being both an army fighting the Taliban, with all the killing and dying that entails, and a corps of civil servants. They attend shuras (meetings with village leaders), construct roads and help train the Afghan police force. They are expected to work hand-in-glove with people who might have tea with them one moment and inform Taliban killers about U.S. troop movements the next. But talking with local leaders — even leaders who might be playing both sides — is the only way to begin progress toward building institutions in Afghanistan.

I traveled here to work as an embedded reporter with the soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division, based at Fort Campbell, Ky., about an hour from my home in Nashville. I’d planned on spending most of my time with the 101st as they engaged the Taliban on the Pakistan border.

But while waiting at FOB Salerno for a helicopter ride to a smaller base, I heard talk about Hill and the Article 32 inquiry he was about to face — the military justice version of a grand jury hearing. I learned that Hill and Scott could face life in prison if the matter proceeded to a court martial. Another half-dozen members of Hill’s company will soon have Article 32 hearings of their own. One soldier is already being held in a military jail in Kuwait for his role in the incident.

I decided to stay.

Hill’s path to the hearing room in Khost began, according to witness testimony, when he received reliable intelligence late last August that Taliban agents were working on his unit’s base, which is manned by no more than 200 coalition soldiers. One of these reported interlopers, a man identified only as “Noori,” was Hill’s personal interpreter. Two more purported Taliban informants were running the base’s small, locally owned coffee shop. The intelligence said that all three, as well as some others, were relaying information about U.S. troop movements and artillery positions to Taliban agents in Wardak, an area the size of Connecticut where Hill’s small company faced off against a large number of hostile locals.

The intelligence report detailing how these Afghan men were working with the Taliban is classified “top secret.” But an Army spokesman who has seen it said that the evidence against them was incontrovertible. “There was a legitimate report saying that [Hill’s translator] was a bad guy and was sharing information with the Taliban,” said Marine Capt. Scott Miller, media liaison for the hearing. “He was providing information to recognized bad people.”

Upon receiving the intelligence report, Hill’s men immediately put the accused Afghans in plastic flex-cuffs and took them to the base’s coffee shop. The total number of detainees is disputed; some witnesses testified that there were as many as 25, while most others put the number closer to 12 or 13.

In a statement through his lawyer, Neal Puckett, Hill said that on a number of occasions, the intelligence that the alleged informants provided to the Taliban could have had deadly consequences for his men. In one case, he said, he confirmed that information had been leaked to enemy forces, warning them of a major U.S. operation against them hours before the mission was due to begin. Hill added that several improvised explosive devices had been planted on the planned route, although they were neutralized without injury to his soldiers. “It is without a doubt that the detainees we took, all twelve of them, were involved in providing early warning to the enemy that injured and or killed thirty of my men during our six months in Wardak,” Hill said in the statement.

U.S. forces detain Afghans for any number of reasons. But according to International Security and Assistance Force rules, by which all U.S. forces in Afghanistan must abide, these detentions can last no longer than 96 hours. The detainees must then be either released, handed over to Afghan security forces or formally arrested and placed in the custody of the unit’s commanding battalion. Once in battalion custody, detainees may can be questioned by trained military or intelligence interrogators.

Requests to send detainees to battalion are a routine matter. Over the past year, Hill’s company made at least 10 such requests, although none were approved, according to 1st Lt. Larry Kay, Hill’s executive officer. Kay, who is also facing charges related to the incident, added that other U.S. companies’ detainees are routinely accepted by battalion and blames the repeated denials on friction between Hill and his battalion command.

As the 96-hour window began to close last August, Kay made frantic calls to battalion headquarters, trying to secure the arrest of the detainees his men were holding. The detainees “knew who everyone [on FOB Airborne] was,” Kay said. “They knew where everyone slept, they knew where our artillery was placed, which then became the target of rocket attacks. . . . I didn’t want to let these guys go.” Kay said that his calls went unheeded.

Battalion commander Lt. Col. Tony DeMartino declined to discuss the specifics of the incident. He did say that generally, “We like to see the Afghans do the formal detainee process so that [the detainees] are in the Afghan chain of command.”

Worried about the safety of their men, Hill and Scott resorted to drastic measures. Though it is unclear exactly who initially planned to detain the Afghans, Hill acknowledges that the ultimate responsibility is his. “I did wrongfully discharge my weapon and I did fail to maintain control of the situation,” he said in his statement at the hearing.

According to testimony from a number of witnesses, it was Scott, the first sergeant, who began interrogating the bound detainees. He straddled their chests one at a time as they lay on the ground, pinning their shoulders with his knees and slapping their faces while shouting questions.

“My whole twenty-plus-year career in the military has been about taking care of soldiers,” Scott said after the hearing concluded. “I couldn’t let these men go just so that they could come back and kill some of my boys. It made no sense.”

At some point during the interrogation, a few of the detainees were blindfolded and taken to an area just outside the coffee shop. Then, according to many who testified at the hearing, Hill removed his 9mm pistol from a leather shoulder-holster and fired at least once into the ground, about 20 yards from the nearest detainee. Inside the coffee shop, after the shot rang out, Scott asked the other detainees, “Do you want to die like your friend?”

Through his attorney, Scott denied that he had said any such thing.

Witnesses testified that the detainees were eventually released into the custody of Afghan intelligence officials. DeMartino, the battalion commander, said that when Afghans are detained by coalition forces, they are generally kept in the custody of NATO forces or released. “Sometimes,” he said, “we’ll just release them, and we’ll ask [the Afghan police or intelligence agency] to give them a ride home.”

Before this group was handed over, a U.S. Army physician’s assistant examined the men. At the hearing, I heard him say that they were unharmed and in fine physical condition. Other testimony indicated that these alleged Taliban operatives are now walking free in Wardak — with full knowledge of the inner workings of FOB Airborne.

I was present for every unclassified minute of the Article 32 hearing. Prior to the incident last August, Hill was known as a promising young officer who had received a Bronze Star for valor and three Army commendation medals. He led his men through a bloody spring and summer of ambushes and IEDs. His company — D Company of the 1st Battalion, 506th Infantry Regiment — numbered only about 100 men and suffered more than 30 casualties and at least two deaths. But their morale was high. “These guys wouldn’t want to be anywhere else,” Scott said of his men.

Scott also has an impressive résumé. Career military, he won a Bronze Star of his own for a combat jump into Panama in 1988 and fought for 15 hours straight during the 1991 Gulf War.

Watching the prosecution destroy the reputations of Scott and Hill was heartbreaking, tragic — and deeply conflicting. As an American who fiercely believes in the rule of law and due process, I understand that the actions of D Company are inexcusable. A mock execution, under almost any circumstance, is antithetical to the ideals and standards our nation aspires to.

And perhaps Hill’s superiors had good reason not to take these particular men into custody. Maybe they were on the radar of U.S. intelligence and taking them out of circulation might have meant losing valuable information.

But the soldiers of D Company felt that they were out of options.

I fear that this kind of story will repeat itself in other parts of Afghanistan again and again, if only because U.S. forces know that their enemy’s mission is clearer than their own.

“They’re Taliban,” one soldier said in response to a prosecutor’s question at the hearing. That soldier is facing charges of repeatedly hitting a detainee who bit him as he tried to put a gag into the man’s mouth. “If it was us, they’d cut our heads off, videotape it and put it on al-Jazeera for our families to see.”

27 thoughts on “2 U.S. soldiers accused of abusing detainees”

  1. you’re an idiot. you don’t get it. when we do this kind of shit it gets more american soldiers killed. every time we abuse a detainee, it creates 10 more enemies. these knuckleheads may have been trying to save their men, but they just sentenced even more US soldiers to death because of it. sure it feels good to fuck with the deatainees, but there is a reason we have rules, and it is because of idiots like you that can’t see the bigger picture that we are losing in afghanistan. thank god you aren’t actually in charge of anything important, and never will be.

    1. John,
      You are such a coward and you are a true example of the type of hate that is shown on Huff Po and other liberal, patriotic hating websites. You use a fake email which contains an expletive in it, and cannot even stand up like a MAN and say who you are. Nut up dude, and be a man. I can see that you are from the Denver area, but you don’t have the stones to say who you are. You have no idea what it is like over there, what these guys or thousands before them or serving now have been through. This country is a great country becuase of the freedoms that our military shares blood over, freedoms that you exploit to dishonor those that provide them to you. Not all Americans are created equal, some don’t deserve to live here, and you are one of them.

      What the hell do you know about Afghanistan? What do you know what it is like to lose men, men that you are charged with taking to the hell of combat and bring back. As old Blue pointed out, I am in charge of something very important and have been for many years. I am in charge of the safety and welfare of some of the greatest warriors this country has ever produced. There is no better asset in our government than the men and women who serve it in uniform. I won’t even go into what I was in charge of in combat, becuase all that matters is those that I took to combat came back.

      You are a friggen’ idiot and an asshole. There is no other way to put it. It is people like you who should be arrested for stealing, stealing oxygen from the rest of us that deserve to live.

  2. INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.

    These Combat Leaders have FOUGHT for the rights of Americans to have that right, hence they also have EARNED that right. Those that have lived the life understand the frustration of the situation portrayed. Those chairborne “warriors” that have not need to keep their comments to themselves. Those that have “been there, done that” should demonstrate the respect of withholding conviction until the “courts” have demonstrated guilt.

    Bouhammer keep up the fight. Keep up defense of our Troops.

    And if my suspicions are correct, these two Combat Leaders will have proven themselves in the same manner that LTC Oliver North did, earning my respect, even if convicted.

  3. Dear John (and I bet you’ve seen that before,)

    Troy has been in charge of important things before, which include Taliban detainees, so he’s actually got a leg to stand on when he talks about it. You, on the other hand, are a benchwarming comment thug. You can speak as if you know because men like Troy have been there and done that and you’ve read what has been written. Perhaps the fact that he HAS been there should induce you to listen to him a little more carefully.

    Having personal experience with dealing with an Afghan mole, let me assure you that there is nothing, and I mean NOTHING more dangerous than having a mole inside. Have you ever been in hostile territory with someone on the inside of your team spying on you and giving information that could cause oh, not hypothetical lives, but the actual lives of people who depend on YOU to be put in real danger?

    Doesn’t sound like it.

    If you had, you would not only be able to spell “detainee,” but you’d be able to understand that these men weren’t “fucking with” the detainees but trying to get vital information from them. If you had been in any similar circumstance and had tried to get support from higher (those who you would rate as being in charge of something important,) and being failed by them; if you had ever been in such a situation where you knew that if you handed them over to the local officials, that they would be walking free shortly and you would never catch them again, then you would have more empathy for those men and less ire towards this one.

    But wait… in order to do that you’d have to get off your horse (and your couch) long enough to raise your hand and take an oath. Then you’d have to go through years of training and amass years of experience to be put in a similar situation, because newbies just don’t have that kind of responsibility. In other words you have never been there and you never will.

    These men may have crossed the line, but we’re not talking Abu Ghraib here. Another thing I can tell you is that you need to read about what the Afghans think of swift justice. They appreciate it. They do not respect weakness. A Taliban court would have actually killed those men instead of trying to intimidate them, had the shoe been on the other foot.

    John, Bouhammer will quite likely wind up a Sergeant Major some time, which is a position of condsiderable responsibility. He already brings influence to bear as a blogger who is taken quite seriously by readers even in the Pentagon. You, I might point out, are not. Good luck with that budding career in military commentary.

    You screwed up the moment you called him an idiot, you mouthbreathing couchcowboy.

  4. Roger Hill was one of the 3500-4000 students I have taught in my 31 years of teaching.
    Even in middle school he was exceptional and stood out from the rest. He was so kind and
    considerate of others. We stayed in communication throughout his time at West Point and in the
    years that followed. Roger has alway played by the rules. However, in Afganistan the enemy
    has no rules. Roger should be hailed as a hero rather than being treated as a criminal.
    If there is justice in this world, his name will be cleared. Our community has just
    recently learned of the incident and is now preparing a campaign to clear his name.

  5. As the ex-wife of 1st Sgt Tommy Scott let me assure you he was not”getting off” by slapping these detainee”s{and yes that was the crime “slapping”1st Sgt Scott is nothing short of a very caring professional soldier who cares for everyone of his troops as though they were his own kids.He is a highly decorated soldier who has fought for our country in FOUR wars.He jumped into Panama under gun fire when we took Noriega out,He was on the 3rd plane into Iraq in the 1st gulf war,Was on the ground for the start of the second gulf war and is now in Afghanistan.Has served two tours in Korea one in Germany.Twenty four years of service to this country and anyone else that cannot say the same needs to keep their opinons to themselves because if it were’nt for people like him they would’nt have the freedoms they have and they would’nt be sitting in their living rooms with their familys enjoying the holidays,they would be drafted and sitting in the sandbox,being the scapegoat for some higher up brass like these guys are.

    1. Thank you for your comment Connie. I have no doubt that Tommy is a hell of a soldier and a damn good 1SG. I, as a fellow 1SG, am keeping him and CPT Hill in my prayers that they will come out of this vindicated.

  6. This is just sickening to read, especially in view of the fact that there was very probably a personal element on the part of someone at higher headquarters who put Hill in this “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation by denying permission to transfer the prisoners up the line.

    If that is true, then I firmly believe THAT person should be facing charges. We all know what flows downhill and in this case it hit the fan.

    My heart goes out to CAPT Hill and 1st SGT Scott who were trying to save lives of their soldiers. I pray that this is resolved in their favor. This makes no sense!

    I must compliment P J Tobia for staying behind and objectively reporting on the article 32 and the WaPo for printing it.

  7. This type of story makes me livid!! How the hell are OUR GUYS supposed to contend with shit like this?
    The soldier who stated “If it was us, they’d cut our heads off, videotape it and put it on al-Jazeera for our families to see.” surely had it right. Because without a doubt, they would.
    And yet we allow Our Guys hands to be tied, and our Military to be tried! Whatever happened to “Kick some Ass and take names later”?

    Damn it! I bet there’s some momma’s who want to bitch slap those idjuts, especially the Battalion Command. Hell, I want to! Sorry for all the cuss words, but I did say I was livid…

  8. I just returned from Afghanistan as an ETT, I was in and out of Wardak province and every other province in RC-East, RC-Central and RC-South. I don’t have ANYTHING good to say about 4BCT 101st ABN. From the moment those guys took over battlespace from 82nd ABN and eventually 173rd ABN, they started screwing things up and their risk-averse chicken sh!t attitude prevented ETTs/PMTs from getting alot of the support they needed. I’m not surprised at all that Currahee is hanging two of their best leaders.

    As bouhammer and others have related, you just don’t understand the complexity of dealing with this enemy. You have Taliban, HIG, Haqqanni and others that are True Believers and willing to fight and die for their cause. Meanwhile, on the CJTF-101/CJTF Phoenix side of the fight we are hamstrung by rules/regulations and memorandums from higher hq that micromanage how we can prosecute the fight.

    I feel CPT Hill and 1ST Scott’s dilemma, its a VERY frusterating feeling when the higher command ignores the advice and requests of the tactical commander on the ground for no apparent reason other than to satisfy some COL or GEN’s vague guidance…or because the BC’s own ego won’t allow him to delegate the fight to a Company grade officer. It always seemed to be we had an O-5 or above telling us how we can’t do this, that or this because of “possible” collateral damage, or because the ANSF have to lead the fight no matter what or because “hey there’s enemy out there, we don’t go there `cause we don’t want to get shot at”

    No one is in any position to judge these two men for what they did….in fact, thank God there are still leaders in the Army that are willing to fall on their sword, sacrifice their career and next promotion ticket punch in order to complete their mission and protect the Soldiers under their care. I never once saw either of the two Infantry Battalion Commanders in 4BCT 101ABN take a stand and fight…yet they will probably still get Bronze Stars and a promotion to O-6.

  9. We must be in some type of distorted version of reality where decorated soldiers are threatened with their freedom and careers for allegedly roughing up and saying nasty things to a bunch of terrorists.

    The real crime here is that a veteran NCO and his junior officer commander are being hung out to try by their commanders who I’m sure have no real combat experience other than touring the battlespace john wayne style with a cigar in mouth and hand in pocket. Why did batallion deny these detainee requests? Why was a small weapons company left to hold a province the size of Connecticut, a province now patrolled by an entire batallion?

    PJ Tobia did a fine job writing this article, but I stronly object to the characterization of these allegations as a “mock execution.” When did they stick a gun in the guy’s mouth, or put a noose around his nick or hook him up to a battery or make him dig his own grave or anything like that? Firing his gun off in the distance and someone allegedly saying he’ll be next–Sounds like Nurumberg & Tokyo all over again, no?

    Hill admitted to making a mistake and will soldier up and take his punishment, but aren’t we going a little far? When will we ever see someone not junior charged with anything? When will this witchunt and intimidation of soldiers end?

  10. Prosecuting these two leaders is a slap in the face to everyone still in Afghanistan trying to take on a difficult mission with little understanding, support or concern from the higher levels of command. I can name a dozen field grade officers that should have been UCMJ’d for their actions and gross negligence in Afghanistan that received nothing more than hand slaps or at worse negative OERs that still allow them to be in the Military at the same pay grade.

    I worked with some of the finest Warriors in the military and some equally capable Afghan patriots(terps, Soldiers, Police). These men went above and beyond to make the best out of situations made more difficult by field grade officers that aren’t up to the task.

  11. I served with 1SG Scott and CPT Hill, you could say I was as close to both of them as 6 is to 7, and I truly wish everyone could understand the depth of this story. 1SG Scott is the single most inspiring man I have ever encountered. His motivation towards and dedication to his men is comparable only to the love he has shown for this Nation. When I envision what an NCO should be, I will ALWAYS think of him. He is the epitomy of the NCO core and to see him put through all of this makes me sick. CPT Hill is one of the finest officers I have ever met. And I will be the first to admit that we have not always seen eye to eye. He’s chewed me up and down on more than one occassion. But when you consider everything that he underwent, his AO, troops, enemy activity AND a battalion HQ out to get him, not to mention a million other things, then I think it’s much easier to understand what he was thinking. ALL he cared for was the safety of his men and doing whatever it took to get them back home. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him, no matter how the brass or media try to portray him. I was on that FOB, and there was another detainee eariler that was walking rounds in on us. He got them so close that one landed not 10 yards from me, with the concussion knocking me off my feet. A few feet closer and I’m not making it home to my family, or the other guys that were near me. Those detainees they mentioned were confirmed bad guys, they were giving away vital information and were a DIRECT THREAT TO AMERICAN TROOPS. They weren’t killed, they weren’t given broken bones or anything serious. They were “leaned on”. And to anyone who has wants to criticize or condemn, walk in their shoes. Let’s see how “noble” you are when it’s your ass on the line, seeing your brothers gettin blown up by IEDs planed on routes they knew you were taking because they were tipped off, or you get caught up in an ambush where theyre using women and children as shields. See how much you respect their lives once you see the contempt they have for anyone elses. I have personally seen what happens when they get ahold of us. Another unit lost two of their men and the Taliban got their hands on them. We found 1 and a half, in pieces. I admit that the United States must attempt to refrain from resorting to extreme methods of interrogation. But this was NOT extreme and it is NOT worth discrediting these two exemplary soldiers.

    Bottom line, these two men are HEROES, and they carry the love and respect of their men and their families. Their presence in my life has not only made me a better soldier, it has made me a better man. I owe these men a debt I can never repay and will forever look upon my service with them as one of the greatest honors of my life.

  12. I worked for both of those men. 1SG Scott is a good guy. CPT Hill I don’t know all that well but he seemed fairly squared away to me. I am pretty sure I know the majority of the story by now. It’s rediculous that for what happened to those detainees, someone would even think of punishing American Soldiers for it. It’s rediculous that this is even making the news. Those detainees should have been interrogated and shot in the face. They got off easy. What happened to them was nothing. A slap here and there, a harmless weapon discharge, some empty threats? Seriously? We’re going to put soldiers in jail over that shit? Seriously? What the fuck is wrong with this picture?

  13. I worked with CPT Hill for year, he’s a hero and I’m sure he did because the detainees are terrorist for sure and they deserve more.
    CPT Hill he was one the best officer I ever met.
    I’m praying for him

  14. I wish “JOHN” would have used his real email and name so maybe we could educate him. It sounds like he is about 9 years old so maybe that is his problem.

    I appreciate all the complimentary comments to this blog and am keeping both soldiers in my prayers.

  15. Captain Hill’s community is mobilizing a campaign to fight for an HONORABLE discharge for Captain Roger Hill. If you are interesting in helping his cause, please send a handwritten letter to:

    Secretary Pete Geren
    Department of the Army
    Office of the Secretary of the Army
    Washington, DC 20310-0107

    Please do so as soon as possible. Our community will also have a Patrotic/Prayer Meeting for him and all soldiers on Jan. 30.

  16. I thank God for two fine soldiers such as Cpt. Hill and 1Sgt Scott. It’s too bad the Brass is not recognizing them for their bravery; perhaps if they were, the military would been more keen on enemy infiltration and we could bring our men and women home quicker (and safely).

    Becky: I hope it is not too late, I will send a handwritten letter to address you listed.

  17. I would observe the standard appears to be different for senior personnel and junior personnel. I met LTC(ret.)Alvin B. West [feel free to Google him] at the Kabul Military Training Center in the summer/fall of 2005, where he was working as a contractor for MPRI, teaching ANA officers operational planning. I wonder if he’s still there.

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